Krazymunkey Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 What am I missing?? 69 card bulk order most grades were with in .5 of the expected grade and all were with in 1...... except this guy... I'm not sure on the reasoning.... I might be overlooking it but I would think it would slap me in the face given the grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junk Wax Addict Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 Wish we had a solid answer for you, but the best I can do is take a wild guess. From the pictures, everything I can see checks out for a higher grade than that, so I’m going to guess there is a problem with the surface. I would look it over thoroughly (both sides) for any dings/dents that you might have missed in pre-grading. If all else fails, I would call customer service and see if they can provide any additional details as to why it was graded as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 I'm guessing, chubby fingers caused it. Customer service gave me a automated email about how cards are graded. It's a 2022 pack pulled card. If it was a 6 and not a 9 I would've contacted topps and gambled on a replacement. With this card Topps would likely say the card meet 8+ standard... the grader is the issue tell me how PSA lowered their prices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 You could send it back to Topps. There's still time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 23, 2022 Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 BTW, the right edge on the back looks chipped.. Can't say for certain due to the flash and out of focus photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 23, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2022 I believe what your seeing on the back is just the way the sleeve is in the slab. I would send it to Topps, but I'm struggling see a reason it doesnt meet their standards. I don't grade cards as an occupation, so looking for the knowledge as to what I'm missing that caused my pre-grade to miss by 3-3.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Natale Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 I see major printer roller marks on the back, along the left edge and bottom right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew_Natale Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Front left, too. That not an artistic thing, that's a printer roller smearing wet not yet dry ink. It could be ink transfer from an unclean printer roller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Are these the type of marks you are referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Not sure exactly what you are referring to, with the roll marks assuming the textured look pictured on 2 cards one graded a 6 other a 10. Tjay said I know there are a few (what I call) specks on the card. I never claimed it was free of flaws. I believe it was/is a 9 which.... a small number of specks or one minor spot or surface defect is allowed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 11:32 PM, Krazymunkey said: Not sure exactly what you are referring to, with the roll marks assuming the textured look pictured on 2 cards one graded a 6 other a 10. Tjay said I know there are a few (what I call) specks on the card. I never claimed it was free of flaws. I believe it was/is a 9 which.... a small number of specks or one minor spot or surface defect is allowed.... No. CSG is notoriously tough on surface. Those specks would be enough to get a surface grade of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 If that is the case.....how is it Luka can get a 8.5 with a 5x the number of print specks/spots and lines (red). Not to mention the wonderful (blue) crater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 8:35 AM, Krazymunkey said: If that is the case.....how is it Luka can get a 8.5 with a 5x the number of print specks/spots and lines (red). Not to mention the wonderful (blue) crater. Send it back for a grade review. They'll lower it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 OR...... As their grading scale explains its right where it should be, it didnt get a 9 because it has "the spot" and the specks unlike the bowman card, which has a few specks. If the card deserved a 6, I'd like to know why so I and avoid a similar problem in the future. Purpose of post..... However, a few specks can cause a grade of 5 is untrue, unless I ding 3 of the 4 corner trying to wipe them off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 26, 2022 Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 On 6/25/2022 at 4:47 PM, Krazymunkey said: OR...... As their grading scale explains its right where it should be, it didnt get a 9 because it has "the spot" and the specks unlike the bowman card, which has a few specks. If the card deserved a 6, I'd like to know why so I and avoid a similar problem in the future. Purpose of post..... However, a few specks can cause a grade of 5 is untrue, unless I ding 3 of the 4 corner trying to wipe them off. No, it's clear that a card that looks like a pen was dropped onto it shouldn't have a 8.5 grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 26, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2022 It's good to see you do believe mistakes can be made on the grades. Now you just need to see that it can happen in both directions. micky 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 27, 2022 Report Share Posted June 27, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 2:51 AM, Krazymunkey said: It's good to see you do believe mistakes can be made on the grades. Now you just need to see that it can happen in both directions. Or you need to understand that CSG is *really* hard on surface. Look at it again. The fact that others can see issues from photos means the cards must have clear damage in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 28, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2022 The point of the post was I was wanting people to see damage on the card, and let me know what I'm missing, because i dont see a 6. Only way i see a 6 is by mistake or being graded by expensive computer (but not real "AI") compaing the card to a yellow refractor (non auto).... So far the only real damage was major roller marks, which I'm not completely sure about. Roller marks (to me) are lines where the rollers move across a sheet. This card doesnt have those so, Im assuming he is referring to the textured appearance. Something similar to if a paint roller is low on paint, it will pull up some wet paint leaving it with an orange pull/textured look. I pictured that on the back left (where major marks were) on both a 10 & 6 and they are identical, so guessing that wasn't it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeahiwasder4dat Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 1:03 AM, Krazymunkey said: The point of the post was I was wanting people to see damage on the card, and let me know what I'm missing, because i dont see a 6. Only way i see a 6 is by mistake or being graded by expensive computer (but not real "AI") compaing the card to a yellow refractor (non auto).... So far the only real damage was major roller marks, which I'm not completely sure about. Roller marks (to me) are lines where the rollers move across a sheet. This card doesnt have those so, Im assuming he is referring to the textured appearance. Something similar to if a paint roller is low on paint, it will pull up some wet paint leaving it with an orange pull/textured look. I pictured that on the back left (where major marks were) on both a 10 & 6 and they are identical, so guessing that wasn't it. I don't think anyone is going to realistically see the issue through a pic on here unless it's egregious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazymunkey Posted June 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 I know it is difficult to tell surface condition through a picture but I would think the way the scale works you wouldnt be able to tell much difference between 10-8. But a 6 should be obvious given For a grade of 6, centering may be no worse than 75/25. No more than one “dinged” corner is allowed or no more than two of the following flaws: two or three fuzzy corners, slightly rough edges or noticeable print spots. A moderate diamond cut is allowed, and wax staining on the front is acceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 5:09 AM, Krazymunkey said: I know it is difficult to tell surface condition through a picture but I would think the way the scale works you wouldnt be able to tell much difference between 10-8. But a 6 should be obvious given For a grade of 6, centering may be no worse than 75/25. No more than one “dinged” corner is allowed or no more than two of the following flaws: two or three fuzzy corners, slightly rough edges or noticeable print spots. A moderate diamond cut is allowed, and wax staining on the front is acceptable Look at the surface grade for a 5.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northkorea Posted June 29, 2022 Report Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/23/2022 at 10:45 PM, Krazymunkey said: Are these the type of marks you are referring to? Is the bottom one (the one further back in the photo) the 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micky 8 Posted July 9, 2022 Report Share Posted July 9, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 1:03 AM, Krazymunkey said: The point of the post was I was wanting people to see damage on the card, and let me know what I'm missing, because i dont see a 6. Only way i see a 6 is by mistake or being graded by expensive computer (but not real "AI") compaing the card to a yellow refractor (non auto).... So far the only real damage was major roller marks, which I'm not completely sure about. Roller marks (to me) are lines where the rollers move across a sheet. This card doesnt have those so, Im assuming he is referring to the textured appearance. Something similar to if a paint roller is low on paint, it will pull up some wet paint leaving it with an orange pull/textured look. I pictured that on the back left (where major marks were) on both a 10 & 6 and they are identical, so guessing that wasn't it. only way to tell is to crack it and use a Lupe on the surface, no one gonna tell through a pic especially through a slab, customer service will tell ya why keep us posted im curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ne1seenmykeys Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 6/26/2022 at 5:51 AM, Krazymunkey said: It's good to see you do believe mistakes can be made on the grades. Now you just need to see that it can happen in both directions. Bruh jfc there are CLEAR printer roller marks on the card. It is obvious as soon as you see the card. You're lucky they only dinged you what they did. This card is consistent with their grading. You just don't like the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micky 8 Posted August 30, 2022 Report Share Posted August 30, 2022 On 8/15/2022 at 12:03 PM, ne1seenmykeys said: Bruh jfc there are CLEAR printer roller marks on the card. It is obvious as soon as you see the card. You're lucky they only dinged you what they did. This card is consistent with their grading. You just don't like the result. its tough with a picture i almost gave up! i could be wrong but looks like linear dents near the signature, theres 2 running parallel lines that look pretty deep. Ive seen csg miss a few little things overgrade on a bad corner exc. nothin too crazy but Ive never seen them hit a card heavy for no reason, theres always a reason sometimes its tough to find like greening but its always something, Thanx for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
