Who is going to keep subbing with Csg 1 1

[BigRob.]

Just looking to see what people are thinking after getting back bulk or any subs , was it worth the wait and were you happy with grades , were you not happy with grades and service and turn around times , would you use them again for grading or not . I have finally got all my cards back and was pretty happy for the most part but scratch my head on some grades and i wasnt happy period about turn around times and service , i like the slabs and the look of them but i wont use csg to grade with anymore as the roi isnt there yet , hopefully they make a name for themselves in the sports card world and value goes up .  . 

[Chuck card guy]

I waited and waited for my bulk subs back, as I sent them in April 2021, and received mid January of 2022, What I thought were 9s and possible 10s came back in 8s. Man was I wrong or was it tough love. I don't know i sent out another bulk hoping to have better luck this time around.

[JohnBurke]

Positive experience here. I knew they would have upmost stringency and consistency having used CGC for Pokémon before. I sent in mostly modern sports cards to csg and got exactly what I expected. Good amount of 9s and surprised by the amount of 9.5s actually too. One of my cards was only one subgrade away from a 10. of course a few were surprise 8.5s but that’s expected. 
 

I was real hard on pre selecting what to send in though. For example I had 3 Tiger Woods “rookie” cards from 2000. Being stored in a rough binder for 20 years I only selected one out of the three which I deemed to maybe be a 9 contender. It ended up getting the 9. 
 

Quality of slabs themselves- top notch. Crystal clear, like the labels. They even put a couple cards in sleeves inside the slabs (a die cut prizm and also a card which had some bend to it) which I’m sure is to prevent damage in the slab due to their odd shape / nature 

Also the population report that just came out is superb. Can click the link in the cert page of the card and takes you right to it in the database 

Edited February 19, 2022 by JohnBurke

[Josh66]

I WILL NEVER USE THIS GARBAGE COMPANY AGAIN. DONT KNOW HOW TO GRADE CARDS. PUT MY CARDS IN THE WRONG SIZE HOLDERS. USELESS COMPANY THAT HAS ZERO ROI. USELESS 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Josh66

[Zola05]

some serious negativity in these chats, I think ya's need to learn how to screen your cards or maybe read the grading scale. Watch a couple youtube reveals Crack cards, BNP cards, SubHub grading these guys consistently getting 70-80% gems and multiple 10s from csg. Crackcards got 38 gems and 6 tens and 6 nines out of 50cards  using nothing but a magnify glass with a light on it. Are these guys super human, do they have friends and family who work for csg? NO!!!! they do there homework. Other channels bashing csg usually a new collector sending in an old shoebox of cards cursing at every grade wandering why they didnt get all 10s on there shaq rookies. Now they are activists against csg. If ya have issues with the resale value or the 9.5 gemmint why would you sub with csg at all?  Most of the complainers are unaware 9.5 is a gem mint, how do you spend that much money on grading and not know the grading scale!! keep all your BS in this section of the chat so we can avoid it or dont it doesnt matter... 

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

Not only am I going to keep subbing with them, but due to their tough grading and high standards, they're going to be the only company I use and buy. People are finally starting to realize that PSA is only popular because their grading is lax and they give out Gem Mints like candy. At some point, the actual condition of the card has to matter rather than just the acronym on the slab label. When the hobby becomes smart enough to understand this, CSG cards will go through the roof, especially the Pristines and Perfects. I roll my eyes when people on here complain about their ROI on CSG cards. CSG has been in the sports card business for a year. Did you really send them your cards thinking you would get ROI of companies that have been around for decades? That miscalculation is on you. CSG is a long-term play. It's not for flippers. And that's a good thing.

Edited February 21, 2022 by PunsRTonsOfFun

[Zola05]

On 2/21/2022 at 9:19 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

Not only am I going to keep subbing with them, but due to their tough grading and high standards, they're going to be the only company I use and buy. People are finally starting to realize that PSA is only popular because their grading is lax and they give out Gem Mints like candy. At some point, the actual condition of the card has to matter rather than just the acronym on the slab label. When the hobby becomes smart enough to understand this, CSG cards will go through the roof, especially the Pristines and Perfects. I roll my eyes when people on here complain about their ROI on CSG cards. CSG has been in the sports card business for a year. Did you really send them your cards thinking you would get ROI of companies that have been around for decades? That miscalculation is on you. CSG is a long-term play. It's not for flippers. And that's a good thing.

csg values are doing much better after only a year the strategy is working slowly but surely. It think csg is building a following and stronghold in the hobby amongst some group submitters and more long term collectors but also among ultra modern prospect collectors and flippers. SGC been grading sports cards since 1998 but most in the hobby compare them to csg who's only been out a year. You would think csg would be compared to fgc or tgt but nope there in the big 4 conversation after only a year. There slowly building trust with harsh but accurate grading which will hopefully lead to monster cards in csg slabs. When csg slabs start selling at auctions for 5 and 6 figures peoples ROI's will go up and csg will be a major grader. Luckilly csg hasnt had any fake card scandals or anything like that hopefully that persists the one grading company who never graded a fake card! 

[AM Cards]

While PSA is still at $100 per card, I have been using CSG and have been pleased.  Their holder is my favorite out there, clear and tough.  I just got my second bulk order shipped back yesterday after only 2 months.  I can definitely deal with that.  Of 50 cards, I got 4 10s, 22 9.5, and then mostly 9s after that.   My first bulk was about a 65% gem rate, this one was 52%.  But I think that was more on me as I sent some in that I was fine with 9s if that happened.  As previous posters have said, you really have to scrutinize your cards before sending them in.  There are tons more I'd love to send, but I screen out a lot beforehand and it definitely improves the gem rate.  I could obviously make more money if they were PSA 10 instead of CSG 9.5, but there is just no way I can pay $100 per for the cards I am sending in, so for now I am good with CSG.

[Zola05]

On 2/23/2022 at 12:54 PM, AM Cards said:

While PSA is still at $100 per card, I have been using CSG and have been pleased.  Their holder is my favorite out there, clear and tough.  I just got my second bulk order shipped back yesterday after only 2 months.  I can definitely deal with that.  Of 50 cards, I got 4 10s, 22 9.5, and then mostly 9s after that.   My first bulk was about a 65% gem rate, this one was 52%.  But I think that was more on me as I sent some in that I was fine with 9s if that happened.  As previous posters have said, you really have to scrutinize your cards before sending them in.  There are tons more I'd love to send, but I screen out a lot beforehand and it definitely improves the gem rate.  I could obviously make more money if they were PSA 10 instead of CSG 9.5, but there is just no way I can pay $100 per for the cards I am sending in, so for now I am good with CSG.

4 10's out of 50 is great! there good gem rates its not much different then psa or sgc gem rates. The guy at crackcards has csg locked down 6 10's and almost all gems out of 50, it is possible to have predictable results with csg like ya said ya gotta be vigilant with your screening. what sux is when I spend a few hundred on a card and ya get it in the mail and it has some minor whitening on the edges and ya wanna slab it but ya know your gonna get crushed at csg ha I thought bout sending my minor high value flawed cards to psa but with the psa fee and other bs forget it. Im just gonna sub everything with csg and if it gets a 7.5 or 8 it is what the grade is. But im def gettin subs cause if the card is 9.5 all around and an 8 corner I want a buyer to see it! Psa isnt a walk in the park right now anyway I seen a youtuber crack n send his psa's to Bgs and got a grade higher on almost every card at Bgs. after seeing that ill stick with csg Im more of a collector anyway psa too unpredictable 

[BigRob.]

I do like the different feed back everyone is giving 

Edited February 24, 2022 by BigRob.

[Lester Hayes HOF wtf yo]

Recently received back some cards (subbed for my PC)

My thoughts:

-turnaround time was about six months

-i opted for Sub-Grades on every card (was worth it; all of the "air" on the flip otherwise looks

-only disappointment was a few Modern cards I sent came back 8.5 when I thought they warranted at least 9.0--but the grading appears to be consistent across the board so I'm ok with it

-the Vintage cards I subbed graded in some cases 1.5 (and in one instance, 2.0) points higher than I had predicted--my concern going in was that only Modern cards would receive any grades of 8.0 and higher

-knowing what I now know about how the overall grade is determined, I'm perfectly fine with this submission, will likely use CSG again

[jdmtdcollector]

Old school collector here. Just one of the cards from a small submission. Been submitting since they opened and will continue to do so.

[BIGA79]

I might use them for my personal collection due to the affordable price and the slabs are nice.   I did a 217 card order and many cards were graded 8 or 8.5s that should've been 9s.  I've been doing this for a long time and I thoroughly screen all cards.   I actually sent in some cards that I thought would grade 8 or less and they received 9s. I don't think their grading is very consistent.   I also had 2 pack pulled cards sent back as trimmed.  1 "trimmed card" came back with a big crease on it from the grader and I was also charged grading fees for these 2 cards. My order also took 9 months to get back from the day they received it. 

[Dinohin22]

My brother and I sent in 50 cards to CSG and never again. Their grading is way too hard. We cracked a bunch of the ones we got back and sent them to PSA. My brother has a card store and knows his grades very very well. Cards that should have been getting 9 and up were getting 8s. Out of 50 cards we had 1 9.5 which was just a jordan insert card. It was shocking. I'm dumping the few CSG cards I have left and would never consider them again. Plus they have the new nicer label which is a slap in the face. Why was this not the label they originally should have started with.    

[Josh66]

On 2/19/2022 at 10:01 PM, Zola05 said:

some serious negativity in these chats, I think ya's need to learn how to screen your cards or maybe read the grading scale. Watch a couple youtube reveals Crack cards, BNP cards, SubHub grading these guys consistently getting 70-80% gems and multiple 10s from csg. Crackcards got 38 gems and 6 tens and 6 nines out of 50cards  using nothing but a magnify glass with a light on it. Are these guys super human, do they have friends and family who work for csg? NO!!!! they do there homework. Other channels bashing csg usually a new collector sending in an old shoebox of cards cursing at every grade wandering why they didnt get all 10s on there shaq rookies. Now they are activists against csg. If ya have issues with the resale value or the 9.5 gemmint why would you sub with csg at all?  Most of the complainers are unaware 9.5 is a gem mint, how do you spend that much money on grading and not know the grading scale!! keep all your BS in this section of the chat so we can avoid it or dont it doesnt matter... 

LMAO...  That didn't age well, hey shill boy??  CSG drastically lowered all of their standards.. Weird....   So original buyers of this garbage company that got screwed on grading, now cannot say that CSG is the strictest grader anymore. lmao ...  Seriously, you are useless 

[Josh66]

On 4/7/2022 at 9:53 AM, Dinohin22 said:

My brother and I sent in 50 cards to CSG and never again. Their grading is way too hard. We cracked a bunch of the ones we got back and sent them to PSA. My brother has a card store and knows his grades very very well. Cards that should have been getting 9 and up were getting 8s. Out of 50 cards we had 1 9.5 which was just a jordan insert card. It was shocking. I'm dumping the few CSG cards I have left and would never consider them again. Plus they have the new nicer label which is a slap in the face. Why was this not the label they originally should have started with.    

I sent in 880 cards. Most of which 2020+ cards and didn't get a single 10. Not only do they have a new label, they secretly lowered all of their grading standards. So all of the original buyers get screwed. But you will have goofs like PunsRTonsOfFun shill relentlessly.lmao 

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

On 4/11/2022 at 4:20 AM, Josh66 said:

I sent in 880 cards. Most of which 2020+ cards and didn't get a single 10. Not only do they have a new label, they secretly lowered all of their grading standards. So all of the original buyers get screwed. But you will have goofs like PunsRTonsOfFun shill relentlessly.lmao 

Again, either show proof they lowered their grading standards or pipe down. I find it hilarious you don't understand what they actually did here. And sadly, collectors like you who don't really understand grading are the reason they had to do it.

[northkorea]

On 4/11/2022 at 4:45 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

Again, either show proof they lowered their grading standards or pipe down. I find it hilarious you don't understand what they actually did here. And sadly, collectors like you who don't really understand grading are the reason they had to do it.

I posted this in another thread, but I figured that you asked to see how their standards were lowered. Here goes:

[northkorea]

On 2/19/2022 at 3:51 PM, Josh66 said:

I WILL NEVER USE THIS GARBAGE COMPANY AGAIN. DONT KNOW HOW TO GRADE CARDS. PUT MY CARDS IN THE WRONG SIZE HOLDERS. USELESS COMPANY THAT HAS ZERO ROI. USELESS 

 

Josh, out of curiosity, how do the backs look on those cards? Without seeing the back, it's hard to see how reasonable the grades are. Also, is that a stain above Macho Man's head?

Edited April 12, 2022 by northkorea

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

On 4/11/2022 at 11:00 PM, northkorea said:

I posted this in another thread, but I figured that you asked to see how their standards were lowered. Here goes:

So they basically aligned their centering grades with PSA and SGC. Considering how strict they were, that was probably a smart decision. CSG is still very difficult on surface and this doesn't change them being the toughest grader in the industry. 

[Shockmaster]

On 2/19/2022 at 8:51 PM, Josh66 said:

I WILL NEVER USE THIS GARBAGE COMPANY AGAIN. DONT KNOW HOW TO GRADE CARDS. PUT MY CARDS IN THE WRONG SIZE HOLDERS. USELESS COMPANY THAT HAS ZERO ROI. USELESS 

You should take better care of your cards.

[northkorea]

On 4/12/2022 at 3:30 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

So they basically aligned their centering grades with PSA and SGC. Considering how strict they were, that was probably a smart decision. CSG is still very difficult on surface and this doesn't change them being the toughest grader in the industry. 

Based upon the 10s CSG has popped all over social media, I definitely think grading standards have dropped.

[PunsRTonsOfFun]

On 4/24/2022 at 6:33 PM, northkorea said:

Based upon the 10s CSG has popped all over social media, I definitely think grading standards have dropped.

I'm curious how you know those are new vs reholders?

[northkorea]

On 4/25/2022 at 6:50 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

I'm curious how you know those are new vs reholders?

Why would that make a difference? They mad a proactive decision to reclassify Green 9.5 as Black 10.0. In doing so, they are claiming that previous 9.5 are the standard for new 10s. So, whether the cards posted are new submissions or reholders, the poor centering and soft corners on the 10s being posted show that standards have definitely dropped.

All that said, if I really wanted to know if they are new submissions or reholders, I suppose one could validate the population report.

[northkorea]

On 4/25/2022 at 6:50 AM, PunsRTonsOfFun said:

I'm curious how you know those are new vs reholders?

You could always look at the serial number. My understanding (from what CSG announced) was that cards would keep their serial numbers on reholders.