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Thanks for sharing. That all sounds about right. Sounds like great returns! Thanks, --Kyle

Agreed, that's why I was asking if he screened them, and if they were modern. If they were all ultra modern and he submitted only his truly best cards and he only got an 8% Gem rate, then that's terrible. If that happened to me, I simply wouldn't submit with CSG again. I'm pretty picky with what I send in so I would expect a high Gem rate. If I can't get that on cards I expect to Gem, I won't sub with them. Having said that, I watched an unboxing of a big CSG order where a lot of ultra modern cards were sent in, and I know the submitter sent only his best. The vast majority were Gems, so I'm much less concerned now. As for yours, if you don't count the vintage, it looks like you had a gem rate of 33%? Were those ultra modern and well screened? That certainly sounds decent, but I would expect higher from my subs if I was very picky with what I sent in. My concern is if I would send in a sub of 100 cards and 50 got Gem Mint under the green label, and if I sent those same 100 cards and got 30 Gem Mint and 20 9.5 under the black label, that's a big net negative for us. Having the "10" is nice, but if it's so much harder to achieve (maybe takes 3x9.5 and 1x10 or better?) then that wouldn't be good. If the Gem standard is still what it was, then I'm very happy with the change. Possibly. But PSA is considered king whether we like it or not (I don't) and it might be a stretch. That said, I am happy to have the 9.5 possibility if some of the previous 9s would be 9.5s under the new label. On the other hand, it seems like 9s will be devalued a bit... Yeah, this may be true. Lately all the cards I send in are going to CSG. Unless it's BOTH a very high value card and looks gem, then I send to PSA. Cheers, --Kyle

So... Were these modern cards? You inspected the cards fairly well before submitting? If so, then yeah, I wouldn't be happy either. IMO this may really hurt CSG. I grade cards to boost value. A 9 for most ultra modern cards tends to sell at the raw price, so not a good result. A 9.5 Gem Mint (green label) was what we all wanted. I sent in about 150 cards to CSG and got probably 60+ Gem 9.5 (Green label) or better (including a few Pristines) because I screened them very carefully. With the new label, Gem Mint should be Gem Mint and not harder to achieve than the 9.5 green Gem. I'm about to send another order. If I only get about 8-15% Gem Mint 10 when my previous Gem rate was 40% or so, then I will never submit with CSG again because I'm not gaining value. People will look at 9.5 Mint + and say oh, that's not even a Gem. I'll buy a BGS 9.5 Gem, PSA 10 Gem, etc. instead...

Thanks for the tip. I might try that with the Hosmer. Thing is, as a regrade, it would have a chance at a 10. If centering is less strict, it could be a 9.5 centering, and thus 3x9.5. 3x9.5 and a 9 would be a 9.5 Gem in the green label (which would be an automatic 10 in the black label). It's a pretty high value card (gold 1st Bowman auto), so I think it's worth the fee for a bump to 9.5. In this case, yes, all are to sell. I agree with you - just kinda nice showing the Gronk in particular is a half subgrade away from a Pristine... I've seen mixed messaging on how the reslab works for cards like the Hosmer. It sounds like they're doing it based on subgrade formulas and centering is less stringent now. So if they do a reslab with a 9 centering, another 9, and two 9.5s like this Hosmer, that might be a formula for an automatic reslab as 9.5. But only CSG knows for sure right now. Thanks, --Kyle

Yeah, Ryan responded in the Ask CSG forum that it was indeed and a mistake and will be reslabbed for him as a 10. I'm sure you saw that, but thought this should be clarified in this thread so people don't worry.

This just means that you could specify you only want it to be cracked / reslabbed with CSG *if* it would get a 10, right? I don't think he's saying all BGS 9.5 is automatically a CSG 10... Right? --Kyle

I'm curious what you all think about reslabbing two of these (disregard the Dominguez)... The Gronk will be a 10 of course, so it seems like a no brainer. But it has 2 10 subgrades (one away from Pristine). Would you reslab for the 10? I'm leaning that way, but hate to lose those nice subgrades... The Hosmer is a Gold /50. 2x 9.5, 2x9 (one being centering). So I'm thinking about spending it got a reslab and hopefully getting a 9.5 (slim chance at a 10?), but a 9 would seem like a downgrade. Thanks, --Kyle

That's my understanding as well...

Thanks for summarizing that! Hopefully they can provide a bit more clarity soon. But yeah, it sounds like cards with centering as the biggest issue have a chance to bump from 9 to 9.5 or 10. I'll take a close look at my 9s and maybe send a couple in with my 9.5s. *Most* of my 170+ CSG cards are lower value that I didn't get subgrades on, so there won't be much point in doing anything with them. Cheers, --Kyle

Thank you so much for verifying that. I really appreciate it! While I have your attention... Is there a formula for cards with subgrades that would cross from 9 to 10 (i.e. 8.5 centering, 3x9.5)? Or from 9 to 9.5 (i.e. 9 centering, 9 of another subgrade and 2x 9.5s)? Thank you! --Kyle

@CGCRyan Hi Ryan / Admins, Two quick questions. First, I saw this instance of a green 9.5 Gem Mint reslab becoming a 9.5 Mint Plus in the black label: https://boards.csgcards.com/topic/1264-fyi-green-label-95-gem-mint-reholdered-as-a-95-mint-by-csg-lower-grade/ Can you confirm this is an error (and would be fixed by CSG) and should not happen if I send my 9.5 Gem Mint green label cards in to be reslabbed? This goes against the stated policy for reslabs. To everyone here, this would be a terrible outcome (paying money for a promised 10 Gem crossover and getting downgraded). I have some high value 9.5 Gem cards and if I sent them in and they became 9.5 Mint Plus, they would lose a lot of value... Second, if I have grading credits from purchasing a paid membership, can they be used for the $5 Reslab fees? Thanks! --Kyle

Are we sure about this? I was just about to renew my membership and pay to reslab my Green 9.5s. But now I'm really scared to do that (pay money for the reslab only to receive downgrades and *lose* value)...

I have been wondering this as well. Looked on eBay, don't see any (closing in on a month after your post). Yeah, as Warner mentioned, are they holding Perfect 10 cards until they have the label ready? Or are they slabbing them as Gem Mint? Doesn't make any sense... --Kyle